{"id":42455,"date":"2018-03-05T13:54:03","date_gmt":"2018-03-05T11:54:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/pan-african-music.com\/seun-kuti-struggle-sounds-as-the-weapon-of-the-future\/"},"modified":"2021-02-11T12:07:13","modified_gmt":"2021-02-11T11:07:13","slug":"seun-kuti-interview-black-times-part-3","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/pan-african-music.com\/en\/seun-kuti-interview-black-times-part-3\/","title":{"rendered":"Seun Kuti: &#8220;Struggle sounds as the weapon of the future&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-10487 pam-featured-content\"  src=\"https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/1393281145photo4.seunkuti_johannsauty_wide-d0356756d83f2b2f142f93db20d54c9f9ff9c0ff.jpg\" alt=\"Seun Kuti\" width=\"1400\" height=\"786\" srcset=\"https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/1393281145photo4.seunkuti_johannsauty_wide-d0356756d83f2b2f142f93db20d54c9f9ff9c0ff.jpg 1400w, https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/1393281145photo4.seunkuti_johannsauty_wide-d0356756d83f2b2f142f93db20d54c9f9ff9c0ff-759x426.jpg 759w, https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/1393281145photo4.seunkuti_johannsauty_wide-d0356756d83f2b2f142f93db20d54c9f9ff9c0ff-1010x567.jpg 1010w, https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/1393281145photo4.seunkuti_johannsauty_wide-d0356756d83f2b2f142f93db20d54c9f9ff9c0ff-661x371.jpg 661w, https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/1393281145photo4.seunkuti_johannsauty_wide-d0356756d83f2b2f142f93db20d54c9f9ff9c0ff-465x261.jpg 465w, https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/1393281145photo4.seunkuti_johannsauty_wide-d0356756d83f2b2f142f93db20d54c9f9ff9c0ff-375x211.jpg 375w\" sizes=\"(min-width:1010px) 759px,100vw\" loading=\"lazy\" \/><\/p>\n<h3><b>Last part of our three-part interview. Seun Kuti talks to PAM about two new songs on his recently released album, <em>Black Times<\/em>. The first, &#8220;Theory of Goat and Yam&#8221; evokes the rampant corruption in Nigeria, the second, &#8220;Struggle Sounds&#8221;,<\/b><b>\u00a0talks about the cruciality of standing united in the face of social injustice.<\/b><\/h3>\n<p><strong>Can you explain this\u00a0&#8216;theory of goat&#8217;?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The ex-president Goodluck Jonathan<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">,<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> when asked about corruption in the country, explained that it\u2019s not that the politicians want to be corrupt, but they are all like goats: when you put a yam next to your goat, your goat cannot help but eat the yam. Imagine! This analogy is so crazy! First of all, we are humans, we are not goats. Goats don\u2019t know about ownership. We know what is ours and what is not\u2026 So imagine &#8220;they can\u2019t help themselves when facing \u00a0the money.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8220;<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> They have a term in Nigeria<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> to describe <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">when you are living good, eating good, spending your wealth\u2026 it is called &#8220;chopping life.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8220;<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> You &#8220;chop life!<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8220;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">All Nigerian elite are well aware of the death and destruction of Motherland people. For example, if you are supposed to build a hospital, and instead of building the hospital you steal the money, everybody that dies as a result of the nonexistent hospital is on you. So, when you &#8220;chop life,&#8221; understand also that you chop the life of the people.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In the song I\u2019m saying the &#8220;goats,<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8220;<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> our rulers, they eat the yam and chop the life<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. W<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">e the people, who just work hard, we eat grass. So they flip it: We as humans, eat grass and the goat eats yam\u2026 In the song I give some examples of some goats that stole some yam. It&#8217;s a fun tune, it came to me as soon as I heard Goodluck Jonathan\u2019s interview, \u00a0I thought I had to write a song about that : the theory of goat and yam. So I didn\u2019t write a song, I actually wrote about a theory, because that\u2019s the new theory\u2014 that men think like goats in front of other people\u2019s money! <\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><br \/>\nIn the song &#8220;Struggle Sound&#8221; you say, &#8220;The system says we\u2019re different, but the struggle makes us one.&#8221; Can you elaborate? <\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">All over the world, the poor and the working class believe in the narrative of the elite. In Europe they say, &#8220;Don&#8217;t worry, at least you are better than the Black man.&#8221; In Arab countries they say, &#8220;Oh don\u2019t worry, Allah is here for you. The others are not faithful.&#8221; In Africa, it\u2019s the same shit, and everybody believes in this narrative. The class struggle is the ultimate struggle on this Earth. The elites do not respect humanity or nature. They destroy nature and humanity. We are here to protect nature. \u00a0As humans, we evolved to have a consciousness about protecting nature, but the elite have betrayed this for profit. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I\u2019m a Pan-Africanist. There has been 400 years of propaganda about who I am, and nobody speaks against it. It is necessary to speak for myself and to speak for the Motherland people. More importantly, we have to understand that there is a false narrative and then we must realize we share a common oppressor. The struggle makes us one. In fact, at the end of the song I say, &#8220;I make struggle music as the voice of the people \/ Struggle sounds as the weapon of the future \/ Cause the bigger picture just needs more color\u2026&#8221; and that, for me, says it all.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #333333;\">Black Times\u00a0<\/span><\/em><span style=\"color: #333333;\">is now available\u00a0via\u00a0<a style=\"color: #333333;\" href=\"https:\/\/strut.lnk.to\/BlackTimes\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Strut Records<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n<h4><span style=\"color: #333333;\"><em>Read next:<\/em>\u00a0 Encounter with\u00a0Seun Kuti,\u00a0<a style=\"color: #333333;\" href=\"https:\/\/pan-african-music.com\/seun-kuti-interview-black-times-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">part 1<\/a>\u00a0and\u00a0<a style=\"color: #333333;\" href=\"https:\/\/pan-african-music.com\/seun-kuti-la-mafia-politico-financiere-et-le-reve-africain\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">part 2<\/a>.<\/span><\/h4>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Last part of our three-part interview. Seun Kuti talks to PAM about two new songs on his recently released album, Black Times. 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