{"id":42275,"date":"2018-08-24T17:32:46","date_gmt":"2018-08-24T16:32:46","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/pan-african-music.com\/chassol-having-big-fun-putting-the-world-to-music\/"},"modified":"2020-05-04T23:17:04","modified_gmt":"2020-05-04T22:17:04","slug":"chassol-having-big-fun-putting-the-world-to-music","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/pan-african-music.com\/en\/chassol-having-big-fun-putting-the-world-to-music\/","title":{"rendered":"Chassol: having big fun putting the world to music"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-16236 pam-featured-content\"  src=\"https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/DSC09090-web.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1000\" height=\"667\" srcset=\"https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/DSC09090-web.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/DSC09090-web-759x506.jpg 759w, https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/DSC09090-web-661x441.jpg 661w, https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/DSC09090-web-465x310.jpg 465w, https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/DSC09090-web-375x250.jpg 375w\" sizes=\"(min-width:1010px) 759px,100vw\" loading=\"lazy\" \/><\/p>\n<h4><span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\"><b>Videographer and composer, Chassol is the author of the radiant <\/b><b><i>Big Sun<\/i><\/b><b>, an album that synchronizes pop, jazz and free music onto images shot in the Caribbean \u2013 specifically Martinique. The multidisciplinary artist harmonizes reality to exalt the implicit that lies within it. <\/b><b><i>\u201cThe Sun is the closest element which humans can relate to. And without Sun, there would be no birdsongs.\u201d<\/i><\/b><\/span><\/h4>\n<p>It\u2019s only a few moments after a late July sunset on the bay of Sines, Portugal, that the pianist and his drummer took the stage of Festival M\u00fasicas do Mundo (<a href=\"https:\/\/pan-african-music.com\/en\/fmm-sines-musics-of-the-world-in-portugal\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">read our report for the 2017 edition<\/a>) inviting the audience to a nonstop audio-visual voyage.<\/p>\n<h5><b><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\">What is your initial and foremost language: sound or images?<\/span><\/b><\/h5>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sound. I was born in 1976, so I am part of the TV generation, and a regular viewer of Tuesday night screenings at the theater. At 14, I knew I wanted to compose musical scores, particularly because of their format and duration being undefined. When I listened to soundtracks, I\u2019d be surprised by the duration of the songs: they depend upon the rhythm of the scene, which could be 7-minutes long, 1 minute, 30 seconds\u2026 Far from the 3\u201930\u201d pop format. So I\u2019d say sound came first, to then be placed onto images.<\/span><\/p>\n<h5><b><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\">Are there any particular soundtracks that have influenced your work?<\/span><\/b><\/h5>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I\u2019m very much into <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">West Side Story<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">: the extreme and precise synchronisation between sound and image. When someone raises an arm, you can hear a glissando of violins perfectly executed at the same time, and this is very satisfying to me. I\u2019m not very good at improvising, thus I\u2019ve developed other methods.<\/span><\/p>\n<h5><b><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\">What was your first musical instrument?<\/span><\/b><\/h5>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The piano. As a music teacher, my father was very strict with me. He would bring me to his band\u2019s rehearsals, and I would have to write down the score of the arrangements he played.<\/span><\/p>\n<h5><span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\"><b><br \/>\nDid that \u201crational\u201d strictness give you the opportunity to find the sensible and human elements inside the sounds of the world around you? In an interview you gave to a Spanish media, you said \u2013 I translate and quote: \u201cI\u2019m trying to discover the secret language of life.\u201d<\/b><\/span><\/h5>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Did I really say that? I don\u2019t think they understood me! I don\u2019t believe there\u2019s any \u201csecret language\u201d of life.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><iframe title=\"Chassol Live at AB - Ancienne Belgique\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/92JjUqtcYPI?start=857&#038;feature=oembed&#038;autoplay=1\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h5><span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\"><b><br \/>\nI felt there was some truth in this expression. When I watched <\/b><b>the video of the flutist in the cemetery in Martinique<\/b><\/span><b><span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\"> \u2013 he\u2019s performing his own free rendition of Eug\u00e8ne Mona\u2019s \u201cTi Milo\u201d, if I\u2019m not mistaken \u2013 it seemed to me that the way you accompany him with the piano is a way to follow the off-screen path he\u2019s offering. You seem to be looking for another language than the one of \u201ca flute on-screen and a piano on a stage\u201d.<\/span> <\/b><\/h5>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yes indeed, he\u2019s covering \u201cTi Milo\u201d, well spotted! I filmed this musician in Martinique and as I got back home, I was dying to go into my studio in Paris so I could play on top of this video. And it\u2019s the first thing I did with the pictures from this trip. I played this video, sat at the piano, and it\u2019s that very first take that I eventually arranged, despite its few minor mistakes.<\/span><\/p>\n<h5><b><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\">Could we say then that your approach is more \u201csensitive\u201d than \u201cconceptual\u201d? In the way that you\u2019ve sought out the pure emotions in the video, rather than trying to compose the \u201cbest\u201d musical arrangement possible. Am I right?<\/span><\/b><\/h5>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I\u2019m not sure. What you call \u201cconcept\u201d and \u201cpure emotion\u201d cross paths, I think. One can be at the same time in the concept\u00a0\/ reflection\u00a0and in the action; both with spontaneity and in conceptualization.\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">To explain further, I\u2019d say that <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">the concept<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> belongs to the analytic world, whereas<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> spontaneity<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> belongs to the synthetic one. However, analysis does not exclude spontaneity. For example, if I sing to you the notes of a C major chord for educational purposes \u2013\u00a0[he sings] \u201cC, E, G\u201d\u00a0\u2013 it does not remove the magic of the melody that these three notes compose \u2013 [he sings] \u201cC, E, G\u201d. Here you have the analytic and the synthetic. If you take concrete music \u2013\u00a0the music of life\u00a0\u2013 it\u2019s only about <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">unveiling<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> what is already here. As a musician, I take time to observe and analyze these things and say, \u201cthis place is very beautiful\u201d. Then I just add a few chords to it. My work is primarily based around music: what happens when you switch from this chord to that one? And no matter where I am: everything in nature is beautiful and interesting, and I place everything at the same level.<\/span><\/p>\n<h5><span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\"><b><br \/>\nIt seems to me nevertheless that the choice of subjects and places you film are far from just objectively beautiful, as they often have something to do with your personal history, and a collective social history too: Martinique and New-Orleans, both<\/b><b> part of the slave trade route, as well as through India, a colonized land.<\/b><\/span><\/h5>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yes, that is me and my life\u2019s story. And I find these places very stylish. But that\u2019s not what matters, it\u2019s about life, in general. <\/span><\/p>\n<h5><b><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\">So you would rather be a channel of communication between what you observe, and the people who listen to \/ observe your art?<\/span><\/b><\/h5>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Maybe, but I wanna be loved, too! [Laughs]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><iframe title=\"Sinfonia do Alto Ribeira 1\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/c8OFjrWqysQ?feature=oembed&#038;autoplay=1\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h5><b><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\">Your work reminds me of Hermeto Pascoal\u2019s, the <\/span><\/b><span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\"><b>Brazilian composer and multi-instrumentalist, for two reasons:<\/b><b> firstly because he has done projects on harmonization too \u2013\u00a0with <\/b><a style=\"color: #f2c94c;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=JVajWqWdEco\"><b>former President Collor de Melo\u2019s speech<\/b><\/a><b> in 1992\u00a0\u2013; also because he\u2019s already composed and performed \u201cthe music of nature\u201d \u2013\u00a0such as the <\/b><b><i>Sinfonia do Alto Ribeira<\/i><\/b><b> performed <\/b><b>in a lake<\/b><b> and <\/b><a style=\"color: #f2c94c;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Gguvp8gZx2U\"><b>inside of a cavern<\/b><\/a><b>, filmed for Brazilian television in 1985. When choosing locations, is there a certain atmosphere that you\u2019re looking for?<\/b><\/span><\/h5>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Harmonization, <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[B\u00e9la] <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bart\u00f3k had done before him, too <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[in the early 1900s]. As for music in nature, I think that Hermeto Pascoal was doing this with humor. He even had musicians use pigs as instruments, squeezing them between their arms. He decided to play inside the water because it\u2019s both funny and spiritual. Through humor, you\u2019re including people and you\u2019re sharing with them. What makes us laugh is what unites us the most.<\/span><\/p>\n<h5><b><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\">Of all the contemporary audio-visual works and pieces that experiment with sound and image \u2013\u00a0from traditional cinema to the 1970s New York Cinema of Transgression, what has inspired you the most?<\/span><\/b><\/h5>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The first thing that comes to mind is <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Clock<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, by Christian Marclay [a video installation first presented in 2010], which was awarded the Golden Lion at 2011 Venice Biennial. It\u2019s a 24-hour video made of extracts from movies that all indicate the time, and this corresponds to the exact time you\u2019re experiencing the installation. I saw it at the Centre Pompidou, Paris. At first, I thought, \u201cyet another artist video piece\u2026\u201d. But then when I understood this would <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">really<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> last for 24 hours, I let myself go. This was pure <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">pop culture<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. A game of synchronization.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=6cOhWtyXGXQ<\/p>\n<h5><b><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\">And in traditional cinema?<\/span><\/b><\/h5>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I have a thing for horror movies. Among the most recent ones, I\u2019d say <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Descent<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> [2005, UK]; and as for the classics, all the movies of Ennio Morricone &amp; Sergio Leone.<\/span><\/p>\n<h5><b><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\">Would you say you praise the slowness of movies? Or the contemplation?<\/span><\/b><\/h5>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You really think that time goes by slowly in the Morricone &amp; Leone movies? To me, it\u2019s like minimal music: time is both fast (the rhythm) and slow (the duration). You can have high tempo music looped in a pattern for 10 minutes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\">Is minimal music a major musical influence?<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Not only. Minimal music, yes, but also Miles Davis, Ennio Morricone, [Igor] Stravinsky and Jerry Goldsmith for movie soundtracks ; [Maurice] Ravel and [Claude] Debussy because I\u2019m French\u00a0; American composers [Aaron] Copeland and [George] Gershwin\u2026 and as for my contemporary peers, Kendrick Lamar, among others.<\/span><\/p>\n<h5><b><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\">What do you find interesting in Kendrick Lamar\u2019s work?<\/span><\/b><\/h5>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He\u2019s managed to translate the history of Afro-Americans by producing a very contemporary music \u2013\u00a0including trap\u00a0\u2013 as well as jazz styles, in a very cool combination. That\u2019s amazing!<\/span><\/p>\n<h5><b><br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\">You say you admire Kendrick Lamar, an artist who promotes his African origins. As a French-born person of Martinique ancestry (through your parents), what do you feel you promote and what do you want to communicate?<\/span><\/b><\/h5>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I read Franz Fanon when I was 15, then Aim\u00e9 C\u00e9saire, so I\u2019m quite familiar with these ideas. My father always told us we were rootless people. When I perform, I always check out how many Black people are in the audience. Today [at Sines\u2019 Festival M\u00fasicas do Mundo], I didn\u2019t see any, but I don\u2019t care. And it\u2019s Franz Fanon who taught me that: <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I am Black<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, but <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I am not proud to be Black<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. Back in the day, everyone was like, \u201cBlack is Beautiful\u201d, it was \u201cBlack Power\u201d everywhere\u2026 because they felt the need to claim their identity. Personally, as I\u2019ve had an easy bourgeois life so far, I don\u2019t feel the need to be proud of being black. That said, I made a movie about the Caribbean, in order to fight against some of the clich\u00e9s: zouk music, constant partying, Banania [a chocolate powder brand that uses a typical Black person as the main character for the advertisement]. We filmed people dressed up as monkeys during the Carnival there, and this was not fortuitous: this happened when [our Black female Minister of Justice] Christiane Taubira was insulted by far-right movements and compared to a \u201cfemale monkey\u201d. To me, as a Black person, it\u2019s even funny, because essentially these are just retarded and stupid people. What the monkeys meant was that, \u201cWe, Black people, come from monkeys\u201d.<\/span><\/p>\n<h5><span style=\"color: #f2c94c;\"><b><br \/>\nIt is indeed that the goal of Carnival aims to turn society\u2019s perception upside down as far as social roles and power hierarchies are concerned. It\u2019s a subtle and fun social criticism inserted into a moment of celebration. In the same way, it seems to me that your work tries to turn our expectations upside down. Would you say you are a subtle activist, neither radical\/extreme, or confrontational?<\/b><\/span><\/h5>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Exactly! I might well agree with the leftist anarchist ideologies, however I\u2019ve never participated to a demonstration. My activism is to be found in the precision of my work.<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_16235\" style=\"width: 1010px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-16235\" class=\"wp-image-16235 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/DSC09094-web.jpg\" width=\"1000\" height=\"667\" srcset=\"https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/DSC09094-web.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/DSC09094-web-759x506.jpg 759w, https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/DSC09094-web-661x441.jpg 661w, https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/DSC09094-web-465x310.jpg 465w, https:\/\/pan-african-music-production.fra1.digitaloceanspaces.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/DSC09094-web-375x250.jpg 375w\" sizes=\"(min-width:1010px) 759px,100vw\" loading=\"lazy\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-16235\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Pictures: Jo\u00e3o Barbosa (Sines, Portugal, July\u00a02018)<\/p><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Videographer and composer, Chassol is the author of the radiant Big Sun, an album that synchronizes pop, jazz and free music onto images shot in the Caribbean \u2013 specifically Martinique. 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